Some turd posted a rambling apology for Intelligent Design to Amazon's "Science Community" and our (new) friend John D replied.

"John D says:
Ok BM,

Does it work for all systems? I have three systems that I would like to see you apply your rigorous scientific method to determine their status as designed or naturally occuring. All are very, very simple.

1) The wheel, invented by humankind for locomotion, describable by a simple mathematical model, the circle x^2 + y^2 = r^2. It was not used in the design of any lifeform of which I am aware, nor was the human design copied from any such preexisting lifeform.

2) The hydrogen atom, the simplest atom, describable by a bit more complicated mathematical model, the 2-body Schroedinger equation of an electron and a proton, a second order elliptical partial differential equation in space, first order in time, with an electrostatic interaction potential that varies as the reciprocal of square of the distance between those two bodies.

Please describe in detail how the various steps are applied and the differing results applied to each system above show one to be designed and the other natural. Thanks.

3) You find a twig stripped of it's leaves. Was it stripped by a chimpanzee (or even a Masai hunter) to be used as a tool to extract termites from a mound too hard to dig into but too narrow to place a finger (or a fat tongue unlike an anteater's)? Or was it stripped by a hive of insects for food? The first was "designed" as a tool, the second eaten for food, but BOTH were used for survival. Finally, was it a squirrel who jumped from one tree to another stripping and breaking a twig in the randomly occuring attempt? Please apply the scientific method of ID to the twig ALONE to determine which it is, designed or naturally occuring. Thanks.

How and by whom (or by what committee) was the English language, or pick any other language you wish for that matter, consciously and "intelligently designed?" Please explain.

Finally, I am just curious, do you consider yourself a YEC or an OEC? Do you accept the literalism of Genesis? From what you state, apparently not, which is fine, no problem. However, the "intelligent design" of DNA was never mentioned in the Bible as the means by which humankind was created. So, you believe in the "word of a man" (William Dembski, Michael Behe et al) over the "word of God"? The Bible in Genesis states that God formed man from clay/earth and breathed life into his nostrils, no? Wouldn't that imply that our lifeform should be based on silicon rather than carbon, since clays and inorganic soils are phyllosilicates with silicon, oxygen, aluminum, magnesium, iron, sodium and potassium forming their microstructures, unlike ALL other animals and plants which use carbon based microstructures? Certainly, if THAT difference had been discovered by analysis of human elemental makeup and molecular biology, it would have been a clear substantiation of Genesis, no?

It is well known that at least the building blocks of proteins, amino acids can be formed from random events, a la the Miller-Urey type experiments as well as many being found in meteorites. Are you saying that God could "figure out" how to get atoms to naturally "cooperate" to form amino acids, but not to form higher level hierarchies without DIRECT intervention or that he didn't want to allow enough time for it to happen NATURALLY because God was in some sort of "hurry" to create life and/or humankind? Was God incapable of designing a universe in which it COULD happen naturally and where many such hierarchies DO occur naturally? What other hierarchies are too complex to be naturally occuring, hives of bees, human societies?

You talk about evolutionists and THEIR god Nature and their prophet Darwin. But what do YOU put YOUR FAITH in? YOUR Trinitarian god of Behe, Dembski and Minnick and their only begotten creation, ID. Are YOU emotionally tied to ID?

If ID is science as you claim, it CAN be falsified. What happens to your beliefs if it IS falsified? "